Part 1 of 2. Charles Upton joined me for a second time. He talked about an Islamic view on ETs with the Jinn, describing them as spirit beings rather than physical. His website is https://charles-upton.com/ .

Charles Upton, poet and metaphysician, was born on December 13, 1948, in San Francisco, California. He is a protege of the Beat Generation, a veteran of the psychedelic counterculture, a peace activist, a Sufi Muslim, a writer of the Traditionalist/Perennialist School, and author of 20 books, mostly on “metaphysics and social criticism.” In 2013, along with Dr. John Andrew Morrow, he co-founded the international Muslim/Interfaith peace movement known as the Covenants Initiative, and is presently Executive Director of the Covenants of the Prophet Foundation. He has been writing on the subject of UFOs since 2001.

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